If biblically speaking Christ became king right after his ascension, then biblically speaking when does Satan get thrown into the abyss, and thus when does the 1,000 year period of Christ's kingdom start?
Disillusioned JW
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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist
by Giles Gray ini would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
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Why believe in a god?
by menrov inif you consider that the god they believe in:.
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.
........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?
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Did a chat box write some of the posts of this topic (but with a human having transcribed what the chat box said)? It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. Maybe a person besides making some of his/her own posts in this topic also made some posts in this topic using the aid of a chat box to come up with replies (or portions of replies), to make him or her seem smarter than he or she really is.
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Why believe in a god?
by menrov inif you consider that the god they believe in:.
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.
........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?
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slimboyfat and others, hypothetically speaking (or writing) could some person or thing (or other entity) be the creator of our universe and of our reality and yet not be God? What is gained by calling an unknown creator God? If the creator can not be detected by us in any way, then why not say a Creator created our universe and our reality, instead of saying God created such? In that situation, the word "Creator" would be better terminology than the word "God, if we can not define God other than to say God is the Creator. What do you think about that?
To me an entity (even in an intelligence) who/that does not intervene in our lives isn't God (or a god) and thus should not be called God. Most people who believe in God believe that God intervenes in human life (or at least brings about an afterlife environment for humans when humans die). To me the word "God" means more than the word "Creator". I think when those who say they believe in "God", if by "God" we really only mean "Creator, then instead they should say we believe in Creator (or a Creator), rather than saying they believe in God.
To me a much stronger case can be made that Creator exists, than that God exists. To me a that concept which is called a deistic type of God really shouldn't be called God, but that instead it should be called Creator.
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“Lazarus, come out!”
by Fisherman inmany people here have expressed faith in evolution and in other theories—but in all honesty, do you have any hope whatsoever in your heart or in the back of your mind ?
truthfully..
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Regarding evolution and the interpretations of archaeologists/anthropologists (and the possibility that they can misinterpret evidence, or jump to conclusions), the article at https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/10/1161652099/monkey-stone-flakes-early-humans-tools might interest readers. I found it interesting.
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Why believe in a god?
by menrov inif you consider that the god they believe in:.
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.
........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?
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Linda14 instead of Irish Global Ministry, it looks like the ministry is called Iris Global Ministry. Is that correct?
There are articles online commenting as to whether supernatural miracles took place as a result s to the prayers (by Iris Global Ministry and Global Awakening) or not. The examples I saw (as a result of a very brief online search) took place in Africa (at least for Iris Global Ministry), and that were no control groups used, to test the alleged power of prayer by the church groups.
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1975 on the back burner
by Fisherman in“1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.
according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.
it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.
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It definitely took hundreds of millions of years of evolution (I no longer believe in old Earth creationism) on Earth for all of types of Earthly life (and the extinct Earthly life) to come into existences, and billions of years for Earth to form, and cosmological evolution has been taking place for billions of years. But when I spoke of according to a certain type of reasoning "... the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long" I was meaning according the WT's line of reasoning which they had prior to some time in the 1980s. After that time they stopped specifying precisely how long they think each of the biblical 6 creative periods/"days" (and one period/"day" of rest for Jehovah) were.
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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The news about the removal of Tony Morris is now reported on the https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/02/28/anthony-morris-iii-removed-from-jehovahs-witness-governing-body-after-17-years/ web page. The news is thus now reaching the regular public.
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All hell breaking out in jw land now this!
by nowwhat? inhttps://wgntv.com/evanston/shots-fired-by-66-year-old-man-in-alleged-financial-deal-gone-wrong-evanston-police-say/.
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Hellothere, Beth Sarim, and others, when I made the post which says "... get out while you still can get out alive ..." I was not being entirely serious. I was being partly serious and largely comical (and theatrical). Furthermore, my post was not saying JWs who believe in the JW religion should get out. Instead I was saying those JWs who are PIMOs should get out. Since PIMO means Physically In Mentally Out, that means the PIMOs no longer believe in the religion (other than possibly parts of it).
Hellothere, you made a good point though about those who were born in and who also have JW family members. But I wasn't specifically urging anyone to officially leave the religion (such as by "disassociation"). [I have not even officially left the religion.] A person could physically get out, in the sense of simply ceasing to attend meetings inside the kingdom halls and ceasing to engage in field service outside of their home. For example, some of them could attend meetings only on Zoom (despite the governing now strongly discouraging most JWs to such) and engage in field service time only by writing one letter per month. Perhaps to attend the Memorial that now would have to be in person, but that would only be one day per year. By doing such they would not be at risk of being killed inside a kingdom hall by an angry wacko person. Those things would be easy to do if they don't have any JW family members living in their home.
I was raised as a JW ("born in") but about 10 years after I began living by myself I started becoming PIMO, and within a few years after that I was mostly POMO. When I became mostly POMO I began reading the entire Bible (reading some Bible books in one English translation another Bible books in other translations). I read through the whole Bible - including the Apocrypha and some books which didn't even make it into the Apocrypha.
Furthermore, probably some of the Mentally Out JWs who live in the same home as believing JWs family members, might still be able to reduce the number of days in which they go inside a kingdom hall, and the amount of time they spend going door door in field service (and the number of days in which they go out in field service).
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All hell breaking out in jw land now this!
by nowwhat? inhttps://wgntv.com/evanston/shots-fired-by-66-year-old-man-in-alleged-financial-deal-gone-wrong-evanston-police-say/.
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Even more news: Jehovah’s Witnesses Excommunicated Elder Files KSh 252m Defamation Suit Against Church . It says in part the following.
"The lawsuit against the church stems from a case in which he was accused of defilement, Mwebantu records.
Apart from that, Joseck Kunda also wants the court to grant him compensatory damages for unlawful dismissal and payment of accrued severance benefits since leaving the association.
... In 2019, he was charged with a sexual offence before the Kabwe Magistrate’s Court but was later acquitted on July 10 the same year after the prosecution failed to prove the case.
Despite his innocence being upheld, the association went ahead and dismissed him after subjecting him to a congregation trial using its judicial committee.
... Kunda maintains that the defamatory and libellous sentiments were made entirely on malicious falsehood, affecting the way of his public and private life.
He says that since then, he has suffered serious and irreparable injury to his reputations as an elder, overseer and pioneer in the defendant’s association."
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All hell breaking out in jw land now this!
by nowwhat? inhttps://wgntv.com/evanston/shots-fired-by-66-year-old-man-in-alleged-financial-deal-gone-wrong-evanston-police-say/.
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